it was one of those instance where is paper trumped technology. >> in washington, d.c., i used the electronic screen. but the sad thing is that my precinct -- there was only one. and i don't know why. but i think that locally, you just had a great deal of interest in this campaign. now, in virginia, i think a large part of it, particularly in the tidewater area, richmond, was again, this voter i.d. issue. i've said this before, that i think that they overplayed their hand, because people felt like you're trying to keep them from voting. and what happened was there was a backlash, particularly in the black community. we certainly saw that in florida, i think, to some degree and other states. philadelphia, in pittsburgh. we saw that -- not so much in this area. there wasn't as much confusion as there was in those other states. pennsylvania was amazing because they had ads saying you have to show an i.d., but the courts had ruled no, you don't. you can ask, but you don't have to produce an i.d. it was mass confusion. >> and they didn't have the early voting up there. >> oh, no. they didn't have